{"id":6294,"date":"2024-08-06T15:08:06","date_gmt":"2024-08-06T15:08:06","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/dailywashingtoninsider.com\/index.php\/2024\/08\/06\/we-shoot-first-ask-questions-later-why-some-israeli-reservists-refuse-to-go-back-to-gaza\/"},"modified":"2024-08-06T15:08:06","modified_gmt":"2024-08-06T15:08:06","slug":"we-shoot-first-ask-questions-later-why-some-israeli-reservists-refuse-to-go-back-to-gaza","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/dailywashingtoninsider.com\/index.php\/2024\/08\/06\/we-shoot-first-ask-questions-later-why-some-israeli-reservists-refuse-to-go-back-to-gaza\/","title":{"rendered":"\u2018We shoot first,\u00a0ask questions later\u2019: Why some Israeli reservists refuse to go back to Gaza"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0h3z2000m44ns2cbgb7l2@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            Every day for two months, Michael Ofer Ziv spent hours watching grainy, black-and-white footage of the Gaza Strip from a tiny room across the border.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0ilbt00063b6j3n0emxjy@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            As an operations commander, he was tracking Israeli forces inside Gaza and approving airstrikes.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0ilbt00073b6jauv1gfip@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            Every day,&nbsp;he said,&nbsp;his unit&nbsp;had a certain quota to fill.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0ilbt00093b6je1594z5z@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            One by one, buildings blew up on his screen like a hypnotic reel of destruction.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0ilbt000a3b6ju0lkjzmc@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            At first, it was easy to forget that those images were real, and not just a video game playing on a screen. But the more he stepped out of that war room, the more he was exposed to the reality of those strikes.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0ilbt000b3b6j5v47rjxv@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            One minute, he was looking at soundless footage of airstrikes he ordered; the next, he was on his phone watching unfiltered videos of Palestinians shrieking, carrying their loved ones who had been killed because of the&nbsp;Israeli military.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0ilbt000c3b6jhad82d17@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            \u201cThis is happening in real life and has an actual effect on those people\u2026 at some point, your brain kind of cannot disconnect those two things anymore,\u201d he said.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0iwdj000f3b6j65fvlbey@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            Once he connected those dots, there was no going back.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0j5nz000h3b6jb7h5gdfc@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            Like thousands of Israeli reservists, Ofer Ziv was called up to war&nbsp;following&nbsp;the Hamas-led&nbsp;attacks&nbsp;on Israel&nbsp;on October 7,&nbsp;in which at least 1,200 people were killed and more than 250 others taken hostage, Israeli authorities said. He knew the army had to respond but was concerned about what that response might look like because of how widespread the language of revenge was.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0j5nz000i3b6j6u7klq2q@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            His&nbsp;concerns were soon validated, he said.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0jjju000k3b6ja4pyfpjj@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            In May, he and 40 other reservists signed an open letter declaring they would refuse to serve Israel\u2019s war in Gaza again after the&nbsp;IDF launched a&nbsp;military offensive in Rafah, southern Gaza, where many of the civilians displaced by the conflict had fled.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0jzu7000m3b6joznb1jnh@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            They readily acknowledge that they represent a tiny minority of reservists who oppose the war, but they hope that their decision to take a public stand will spark a debate in Israeli society and put pressure on the government to prioritize a ceasefire deal.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0jzu7000n3b6j0kba0949@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            \u201cIf we are deciding to go into Rafah instead of making a deal, I felt like it was a statement of us saying we care more about killing Palestinians and destroying Gaza than we (do) about actually finishing this, actually having a long-term solution, actually releasing the hostages,\u201d&nbsp;Ofer Ziv&nbsp;said.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0jzu7000o3b6jm46cocog@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            His conscience just wouldn\u2019t allow him to continue. He couldn\u2019t fathom the colossal number of casualties inflicted upon Palestinian civilians.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0jzu7000p3b6ji4d4y04f@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            \u201cThere is also a decision here to not be as careful as we can be, or even be careless and disregard human life,\u201d he said.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0jzu7000q3b6jq2erxhzz@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            \u201cI can count on my hand the amount of times we were told we are not allowed to shoot at something\u2026 the main vibe was we shoot first, ask questions later,\u201d he added.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzi7suyx00023b6j3uxezqin@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            \u201cThe IDF does not aim to inflict excessive damage to civilian infrastructure and strikes exclusively on the grounds of military necessity and in strict accordance with international law,\u201d it said.    <\/p>\n<h2 class=\"subheader\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/subheader\/instances\/clzh1vvzb00013b6jcqyh8zsz@published\" data-component-name=\"subheader\" id=\"going-to-a-very-bad-place\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">        \u2018Going to a very bad place\u2019<\/h2>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0pmox000s3b6j9g0ngizf@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            And while Ofer Ziv was watching Gaza\u2019s destruction from behind a screen, Yuval Green was&nbsp;witnessing it happen&nbsp;in real life.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0qobz000u3b6jsvu9lpzx@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            Green&nbsp;served as a combat medic in Gaza between October and December last year. But a day before he was recruited for reserve duty, he was planning on leaving the army,&nbsp;he says,&nbsp;objecting to its treatment of Palestinians and the occupation of the West Bank.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0qobz000v3b6jooytubys@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            The October 7 attacks made him delay his decision for the sake of his comrades.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzi7utqy00043b6js9botb2s@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            Green said he felt his role was to protect the civilians&nbsp;who had been attacked on October 7&nbsp;and thought the Israeli military would go in and target Hamas. He didn\u2019t expect it to go on for as long as it did.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzi7uvvb00063b6jlld2vk98@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            Just like Ofer Ziv, he was concerned before the war began about where it might go, because of how \u201cfurious\u201d Israelis were.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh1xmgo00053b6jjstiqhe0@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            \u201cIdeas like killing the entire population of Gaza suddenly became almost normal\u2026 suddenly hearing our commanders say that we\u2019re not going to be merciful this time\u2026 I felt like we were going to a very bad place,\u201d he said.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0qqo400103b6jivpqlf80@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            Green recalled&nbsp;the immeasurable level of destruction he observed. While some commanders would order the demolition of houses for military purposes, most times it was because \u201cthey want to ruin Palestinian houses and they think that\u2019s the right thing to do,\u201d&nbsp;he said.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0r2jg00123b6jyw2mn958@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            \u201cThey don\u2019t really care about the lives of Palestinians\u2026 we\u2019ve inflicted so much damage upon Gaza, something that would be beyond the imagination of any reasonable person\u2026 I can\u2019t imagine how people would go back to living there,\u201d he continued.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0r2jg00133b6jfyyoy5wo@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            The final blow for him was when his commander ordered their platoon to burn down a house in&nbsp;the city of&nbsp;Khan Younis,&nbsp;southern Gaza,&nbsp;that he was sure would be rehabilitated after the war.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0r2jg00143b6jqpt8zfq6@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            \u201cI was trying to understand the reasons for that, if there is any military reason\u2026 and the commander just didn\u2019t have good enough answers,\u201d he said.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0r2jg00153b6jnu5od55b@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            The next day, he hopped into a vehicle making a supply run out of Gaza, and never came back.    <\/p>\n<h2 class=\"subheader\" data-editable=\"text\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/subheader\/instances\/clzh1y9ia00073b6j10bki2um@published\" data-component-name=\"subheader\" id=\"losing-so-much\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">        \u2018Losing so much\u2019<\/h2>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0re6000183b6jd1yd0jji@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            Reservists who refuse to serve again, like Ofer Ziv and Green, could face serious consequences.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0rood001a3b6jzl5arryy@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            Disobeying an order and refusing to serve is both a disciplinary and criminal offense, according to Israeli human rights lawyer Michael Sfard.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0s61d001d3b6j6xbo5s32@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            In normal circumstances, reservists are not called up for more than a month at a time, so they are usually not tried consecutive times, he added.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0s61d001e3b6jlxwv5ts0@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            \u201cWhat it really boils down to is who your commander is and how they will react to your decision,\u201d Sfard, who is a former refuser himself, said.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0s61d001f3b6j4e7i11w8@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            \u201cThere is a very delicate balance here between two interests the army has. One is, punish severely those who refuse to serve to deter others from doing the same. The other is not to give too much publicity to those who are not ready to serve, because then it causes others to follow them too.\u201d    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0s8qk001h3b6jd7cy997r@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            Despite the risks, both Green and Ofer Ziv are committed to their decision.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0smms00003b6jev3yz68t@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            Green lamented the way Israel\u2019s military culture has dominated the public sphere, making anyone who criticizes the war or refuses to serve be viewed as a traitor.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0smms00013b6jp5cyians@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            Those in his platoon have heard him speak out against the war and the military\u2019s conduct since he\u2019s left Gaza. Some respect his opinion, even if they disagree with it. Others have said he is \u201cdarkening their names,\u201d&nbsp;he said.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0smms00023b6jl4ecrxvb@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            \u201cI felt this was a really stupid idea. How can I harm your names by saying the truth? You harmed your name yourself by doing the type of things that were done there,\u201d he said.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0smms00033b6jqtv3c8yx@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            Even though he risked his life in Gaza, he&nbsp;is&nbsp;dumbfounded by the fact that his friends and family&nbsp;are&nbsp;more concerned about his safety now he\u2019s spoken out&nbsp;than they were back then.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0tdns00053b6jw8dx7rhd@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            \u201cWe could end the war today. Israel as the stronger player\u2026 could choose to do it and is choosing not to for several reasons\u2026 we\u2019re losing so much, the Palestinians are losing so much, for every minute it\u2019s not being signed,\u201d he said.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0tmyn00073b6jvw9i2zc2@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            Similarly, Ofer Ziv thinks bringing the issue of refusing military service into the public debate might \u201cwake people up\u201d and let them know that it\u2019s an option not to participate.    <\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph inline-placeholder vossi-paragraph-primary-core-light\" data-uri=\"cms.cnn.com\/_components\/paragraph\/instances\/clzh0tmyn00083b6j5fr3nz9m@published\" data-editable=\"text\" data-component-name=\"paragraph\" data-article-gutter=\"true\">            \u201cWe have so many systems that are built so we won\u2019t have to question the position we are in\u2026 I do prefer to go to jail than to participate in what we\u2019re doing in Gaza, but I prefer to do neither if it\u2019s possible.\u201d    <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<div>This post appeared first on cnn.com<\/div>\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Every day for two months, Michael Ofer Ziv spent hours watching grainy, black-and-white footage of&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":6295,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[23],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-6294","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-world"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/dailywashingtoninsider.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6294","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/dailywashingtoninsider.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/dailywashingtoninsider.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/dailywashingtoninsider.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/dailywashingtoninsider.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=6294"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/dailywashingtoninsider.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6294\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/dailywashingtoninsider.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/6295"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/dailywashingtoninsider.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=6294"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/dailywashingtoninsider.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=6294"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/dailywashingtoninsider.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=6294"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}